ASEA: Does It Work? Critical Review of Research

What is ASEA? Well, if you go to the product’s website they say that “ASEA is trillions of stable, perfectly balanced Redox Signaling Molecules suspended in a pristine saline solution.” That’s a very complicated description for this health and wellness drink that is pretty popular—judging from all the emails I get on it. From the moment I first heard about ASEA water, I’ve been intrigued because I know exactly what “redox” refers to and it’s not a word I’ve ever heard used to promote supplements before. Keep reading and you will know why.

 

What Is Redox Signaling?

At the heart of ASEA (pronounced “ah-sea-ah”) is something called Redox Signaling. To explain this, I’m going to have to talk a little bit about science―but no worries, I’m going to explain it so you can understand it.

The word Redox refers to reduction and oxidation. These are terms used in science to refer to the transfer of electrons (negatively charged particles).

Electrons carry a negative electrical charge. When a molecule receives an electron, its overall electrical charged is reduced (it’s becoming more negatively charged).

It is from the word reduction (being reduced) that we get the “Red” in ASEARedox Signaling.

At the other end of this, is the word oxidation. When a molecule has electrons removed from it, it’s said to be oxidized. This means the electrical charge of the molecule is becoming less negative (in other words, they are becoming more positively charged).

It’s from the word oxidation (being oxidized) that we get the “ox” in Redox Signaling.

So, Redox is a combination of the words reduction and oxidization.

 

Tip. You may have heard of the phrase “oxidative stress,” which is basically the stress of free radical damage on our cells. As oxidative stress increases, the chances for disease increase. This is why people often say free radicals are “bad.”

 

Having said all this, Redox Signaling is about adding and subtracting electrons to to alter the characteristics of atoms and molecules and in this way transfer signals between those molecules and atoms. The signals represent information.

This information can result in good stuff or bad stuff happening. For example, some researchers have implicated Redox Signaling in the development of heart disease.

 

Redox Signaling in Plain English

Ever since I first heard of ASEA water, I felt the term “Redox Signaling molecules” confused the daylights out of people because I was sure nobody―outside of a laboratory―had ever heard of it before. That said, I’m positive most people reading this have heard of this stuff before. It’s just that they know it by other names.

Those other names are antioxidants and free radicals!

I’m sure EVERYBODY has heard about free radicals. They are molecules and atoms that remove electrons, and in doing so, disrupt normal cellular operations. When free radicals remove electrons, they oxidize stuff.

The free radical in turn―because it has gained an electron―becomes reduced.

So, you see, free radial reactions are just Redox reactions. The same is also true about antioxidant reactions.

This says to me that the Redox Signaling molecules that ASEA refers to are combinations of antioxidants and free radicals!

Basic ASEA Theory: The idea here is that these antioxidant/free radical molecules, suspended in a salt solution, are able to transfer healthy/good information to our cells when we drink ASEA. It’s an interesting idea but is there any proof for it?

We’re going to talk about that…

I know some people may not like that I am using the word “free radical” in the same sentence as ASEA. So, I want to further prove this point by briefly talking about the ingredients in the product by using the very same words used to describe the product.

 

ASEA Ingredients

The product’s website says that “ASEA is trillions of stable, perfectly balanced Redox Signaling molecules suspended in a pristine saline solution.”

They say the Redox Signaling molecules are grouped into two types:

  • Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS)
  • Reduced Species (RS)

Translation:

  • Reactive Oxygen Species = free radicals
  • Reduced Species  = antioxidants

 

I take these names as further proof that ASEA  is touted to contain a combination of antioxidants and free radicals.

 

Having said that, it makes sense why the company would not use the words antioxidants and free radicals:

  •  Free radicals are usually associated with being “bad.”
  •  Using different names implies the product is different/unique.

 

In other words, calling the molecules different names is just good marketing.

 

All that said, what I want to do now is try to determine if there is any research on ASEA and what that research says.


ASEA Research

There is a human study on ASEA. It was conducted by Dr. Andrew Shanley and Dr. David Nieman at Appalachian State University. Oddly, the study title and its location of publication were not mentioned on the ASEA.net website when I investigated it.

Instead, the ASEA website has a summary of the study, complete with charts, graphs, and even a video—which all look pretty impressive.

 

I wanted to see the study myself, so I did some digging and found it.

 

The study, funded by ASEA, appeared in the FASEB journal in 2012. The title of the study is Influence of a redox-signaling supplement on biomarkers of physiological stress in athletes: a metabolomics approach.

 

In this study lasting 1 week, 20 people rode a stationary bike as fast as they could for 46 miles (75 km). They were randomly given 4 oz of ASEA or 4 oz of a placebo per day for a week before the test and 16 oz of ASEA (or placebo, which actually was salt water) during the test. Blood samples were taken before, immediately after, and 1 hour after exercise to see what changes occurred.

 Results:

  •  ASEA did not help people ride the bike any faster compared to placebo
  •  ASEA did not reduce exercise-induced inflammation compared to placebo
  •  ASEA did not reduce exercise-induced oxidative stress compared to placebo
  •  ASEA did not alter exercise-induced changes in immune function compared to placebo

 

This is the most important stuff—especially if you are an athlete! These findings are not mentioned  in the fancy-looking summary that’s located on the ASEA website.

The study does note that “ASEA supplementation caused a significant shift in 43 metabolites” before exercise occurred―especially free fatty acids and vitamin C. While this is nice, what about during exercise? There is no mention of fatty acid availability during exercise.

Having more fatty acids available at rest is nice, but when it comes to athletes using ASEA, I think these changes are not relevant because it didn’t improve their exercise performance (they didn’t ride the bike any faster!).

 

On the summary of the study appearing on the ASEA website, they assume that the increased fatty acid use during exercise means the cyclists used less glycogen (stored carbohydrates). They are assuming this happened―but did they prove it? It doesn’t look like it  – and this is too bad because this would be pretty easy to figure out.

 

For example, the researchers could have measured something called the Respiratory Exchange Ratio (RER). This would have told the researchers how much fat and carbs were being used during exercise. But RER does not appear to have been measured in this study (it’s not mentioned), so we can’t know for sure if the athletes used less glycogen or not.

 

The other thing about this study is that even though it appears in the journal Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology (FASEB), it appears as an abstract.

 

Here’s the thing, abstracts are summaries of research that do not necessarily have to go through the peer review process. In fact, the FASEB website states that “Meeting abstracts are not peer-reviewed and are not under the regulation of The FASEB Journal”

 

This lack of peer review greatly decreases the significance of the findings, in my view―no matter what the caliber of the researchers doing the study.

 

In 2013, ASEA commissioned another study. This investigation also appears in the FASEB journal and is titled Effects of ASEA beverage intake on endurance performance in mice. In this study, mice were force-fed ASEA or a placebo for 7 days prior to running to exhaustion. The results showed that mice getting ASEA ran about 29% longer than those that got the placebo. Interesting stuff—but it’s a mouse study. This study also appears only as an abstract in the journal.

 

Based on these 2 studies, the scientist in me asks the following questions:

1.   Why did ASEA first fund a study on people and then choose to go backward to study mice? This logic almost reminds me of the research on Protandim, an anti-aging supplement I reviewed previously.

 

2.   Why did ASEA spend all that money to fund these two studies  – and then not have them go through the peer review process? Both the human study and mouse study are only abstracts. As I stated before, abstracts carry less weight than a peer-reviewed study.

 

Other ASEA Research

On the Science page of the ASEA.net site, I saw 9 downloadable pdf files that anyone can view. I’ll summarize each of them below. They are as follows:

1. ASEA Safety Studies Summary. This paper is also titled: ASEA Ingestion, Safety, Summary from Human Studies North Carolina Research Campus Human Performance Laboratory.

This study looked at how ASEA was tolerated in 106 overweight people who drank 4 oz of ASEA per day for 12 weeks compared to placebo. Results: No problems were noted from ASEA use compared to placebo. ASEA had no effect on cholesterol levels, blood sugar levels or CRP levels—all of which were high in this group of overweight people to begin with. They don’t mention if the people lost weight or not.

Problems:

  • This is not a published peer-reviewed study.

 

2.  PNNL Safety Report. This paper is also titled “Data from an In vitro Study Relating to Product Safety (Note: PNNL stands for Pacific North West National Laboratory)

This was basically a test tube study. ASEA did not result in any toxicity when cells were exposed to it. That’s good.

Problems:

  • This is not a peer-reviewed study.

 

3. Reactive Molecules Verification. This paper is also titled “Verification Procedure for Reactive Molecules in ASEA.”

This is just a paper that talks about quality control of ASEA. I’m happy they have quality control measures in place. That says a lot about the company.

 

4. ASEA Antioxidant Efficiency. This paper is also titled “Report for ASEA on Experimental Results-In Vitro Antioxidant Enhancement and Oxidative Stress Reduction.”

This paper relates how cell cultures treated with ASEA showed improvements in the antioxidant enzymes, superoxide dismutase (SOD), and glutathione peroxidase (GPX).

Some may have heard of claims that ASEA improves antioxidant enzymes by 500% over normal. Those claims appear to be based on this paper.

Problems:

  • This is not a published peer-reviewed study.
  • This is test tube study.
  • Effects in cell cultures do not necessarily mean the same effects occur in humans.
  • The paper says “Report to ASEA” but does not tell who wrote the report.

 

5. Athletics. This paper is also titled “Report to ASEA on VO2max Athletic Endurance Enhancement Testing.”

I think this is the same as the “White Paper” summarized below.

Problems:

  • This is not a published peer-reviewed paper.
  • There was no placebo group.

 

6. ASEA Metabolite Findings FAQ

This is an FAQ paper summarizing the results of an exercise study of 20 people conducted by Dr. Andrew Shanley and Dr. David Neiman of Appalachian State University. I’ve summarized the study above, in the “ASEA Research” section.

Problems:

  • The study is an abstract and does not appear to be peer reviewed.
  • The summary leaves out several important findings revealed by the researchers.

 

7. ASEA Research Summary Presentation

This is titled “ASEA Metabolomics Results.” It’s the human exercise study I summarized above.

 

8. White Paper on the Effect of an Immune-Supporting Supplement, ASEA, on Athletic Performance based on a Pilot VO2max Test

In this paper, ASEA improved aerobic and anaerobic exercise performance in 18 well-conditioned men and women who either rode a bike or ran on a treadmill.

Problems:

  • There is no placebo group.
  • The study is not published in a peer-reviewed journal.

 

9. White paper: Bioactivity of ASEA™ Related to Toxicity, Glutathione Peroxidase, Superoxide Dismutase Efficacy and Related Transcription Factors

Problems:

  • This is a test tube study.
  • It does not appear to be published in a peer-review journal.

 

ASEA and Exercise

Because of the research done so far, I’m betting there are some aerobic athletes (runners, cyclists, etc.) who may be wondering if ASEA can help them perform better. What I can say at this point is despite what you may have heard,  there is no good proof either way. The human exercise study on ASEA only showed more fat released at rest (before exercise occurred). There is no evidence of greater fat use (or less glycogen use) during exercise. Look over my summary of the human ASEA study for more information.

If there are any bodybuilders reading this, currently no ASEA research that involves bodybuilders, strength trainers, or powerlifters. So, how it works in strength trainers is unknown.

 

ASEA and Weight Loss

It’s possible some people may be considering ASEA because they have heard that it might help them to burn fat at rest or raise their metabolism. As far as I can tell, any claims about ASEA helping burn fat, stem from the human exercise study summarized above. In that investigation, it was noted that people who drank 4 oz of ASEA per day for a week, had a greater release of fatty acids (triglycerides) at rest.

While this is an intriguing finding, I want to point out that the human exercise ASEA study was not looking at weight loss. I’m not aware if any weight loss occurred in the people involved in that 1-week study.

Bottom line: I have no proof it helps or doesn’t help weight loss. That said, even the ASEA company themselves state (in the Metabolite Findings FAQ) “It is wrong to think of ASEA as a weight-loss product.”

Before deciding, check out what others are saying before making a decision.

 

Isn’t ASEA Just Salt Water?

I’m not yet prepared to say that ASEA is salt water because the human study of 20 cyclists actually used salt water as a placebo. If it were just salt water, no differences should have occurred. Even though I’m critical of that study ―for reasons already mentioned ― it did appear to show that something different was going on between ASEA and placebo treatments. The big question however is whether that “something” results in a significant impact on health. I say, let’s do better research and see.

 

ASEA and Health?

Is ASEA a good “health drink?” Ultimately, this is an individual decision that I feel is best decided after weighing all the evidence with a critical/unbiased eye, as I’ve tried to do here.

As is mentioned in the ASEA Safety Summary  (which is not peer reviewed) ASEA appears to have no effect on blood sugar, cholesterol or CPR levels. So far also, it only appears to alter antioxidant enzymes in a test tube. The human exercise study involving 20 cyclists also noted no changes in inflammation or exercise-induced free radical stress or immune function either.

Even so, I’d personally like to see future ASEA studies address  these and other aspects of health to get a better idea of what might be happening. Currently, I don’t think there is enough good proof to make a final judgment either way at this point.

 

Who Makes ASEA?

ASEA is a product of ASEA LLC, which is located at 6550 Millrock Dr Ste 100, Salt Lake City, UT 84121-6000. ASEA is located at “Ste 100″ which I take to mean “Suite 100.” This indicates that ASEA is one of several companies at this address. I want to point this out because there is a picture of the building on the ASEA website. I felt this picture gave the impression that the entire building belongs to ASEA. There are many companies in this building. For example, when I searched the address on Google, I found the Buckner Insurance Company that is located at Suite 300 of the same address. They also show the same building on their website.

 

The Better Business Bureau gives ASEA LLC a rating of “F” as of 4/2/14. Update.  As of 11/13/14, the BBB gives ASEA a rating of A+. Do check the BBB file link for any updates, as ratings sometimes change quickly.

 

How to Contact ASEA

According to the Better Business Bureau, ASEA has a contact number of (801) 973-7499. The website lists an Associate Support number of 801-973-7499 for those who sell ASEA.

 

How Much ASEA Is Needed?

The ASEA website says that “Years of usage among consumers has shown that drinking 2 to 4 oz of ASEA per day is sufficient for normal health maintenance.” This statement implies that the ASEA company has

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been tracking ASEA use by consumers over the course of several years to see what effects it has on different health conditions. If this is so, where is that evidence? I can’t find any research showing that people need a specific amount of ASEA to remain healthy.

Interestingly, this amount is similar to what is recommended for TriVita Nopalea juice, another health drink I previously reviewed.

 

ASEA Side Effects

The ASEA website says that “ASEA is proven safe to all tissues, organs, and systems of the body.” I’m guessing that they are basing this statement on the non-peer reviewed ASEA safety study of 106 overweight people, mentioned above and on the ASEA science page. I’m not aware of any bad side effects either, so my guess is that ASEA is likely pretty safe for most people.

Because ASEA contains some salt, that theoretically may be an issue for those with high blood pressure or kidney problems. The ASEA website does say that the amount of salt in ASEA is less than that in a carrot. When in doubt check with your doctor if you feel this applies to you.

 

Does ASEA Work?

For the moment, I’m going to say save your money until better research is done. What I have tried to do here is cut through the big and often complicated words and ideas used within the world of ASEA and show people what it appears to be as well as what the research shows it does and doesn’t do. Based on what I see, I can’t recommend ASEA water at this time. I’ll be the first to admit that lack of evidence does not mean something does not work, and while I am a little intrigued, I also have to say that all the big words (Redox Signaling molecules, reactive oxygen species, etc.) used to describe this product, just make my Spidey sense tingle.  Looking over everything I was able to find on this supplement, my instincts tell me ASEA is long on marketing and – currently – short on good proof, but for those who want to see what others are saying here is ASEA on Amazon.

What do you think?

Comments

  1. kira dworkin says

    Dear Joe,
    Thanks for your information. My Mother-in law is taking it and I asked her to research Protandim by life vantage. It is claimed to kill up to 1 million free radicals per second!! tons of peer reviewed studies. I looked at this site to compare research! This protandim is amazing!! You and everyone you know will want to take this pill daily!!

  2. Phil Farrelly says

    Hi, really excellent review, I ve actually signed up to sell asea in Ireland , my first thoughts were it’s too good to be true, myself and my wife have started taking it about a week ago. Hopefully more up to date peer studies come out soon.

    Please explain the patents for asea as these were used as a selling point to me before I joined. I will proceed with caution. I jumped in because of the very low start up cost and figure it s worth a try.

    Phil

    • Joe says

      Hi Phil, thanks I appreciate that! I believe the patents refer to how ASEA is made. The patent doesn’t necessarily mean ASEA works as they say. Patents – from anything – should not be used as proof in place of research.

      It’s interesting they would tout the patents to you rather than that exercise study from Appalachian State University. I hope ASEA helps you. Do keep me posted on how things go :)

  3. says

    Joe,
    I am the chiropractor and naturopath that uses a lot of nutrition. I was able to talk to one of the higher up when the product first came out and asked several pointed questions that they refused to answer,saying that it was patent pending. Needless to say I would not use it in my office.

    For a long time I tried to figure out how they got the chlorine taste, until one day I was talking to my pool man about switching my pool to salt water and asked him how the process works. After he finished, it occurred to me that I could make Asea in my pool.

    • Joe says

      Dr Tindall, thanks for those insights. Based on what I saw and didn’t see in the research I’m also of the mind that ASEA is more hype than science.

  4. Kathy from Kansas says

    You wrote:

    “Having said that, it makes sense why the company would not use the words antioxidants and free radicals:
    Free radicals are usually associated with being ‘bad.’
    Using different names implies the product is different/unique.
    In other words, calling the molecules different names is just good marketing.”

    While I am still skeptical of ASEA, I must say in the company’s defense that most consumers are scientifically illiterate, hence “free radicals = BAD” is the way most people think. ASEA is wise not to open that can of worms!

    The real science is considerably more complicated. Turns out that some free radicals, IN CERTAIN CONCENTRATIONS, can be a good thing — at least that’s the way I understand what I’m reading in this article from the journal Biochimica et Biophysica Acta (BBA) – Bioenergetics (it’s been over 30 years since I worked in the field, and I’ve forgotten most of what I ever knew of biochemistry, so somebody here correct me if I’m wrong):

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005272810000435

    • Joe says

      Kathy, you are 100% right the science of free radicals is very complicated (I’ve forgotten a lot too). That said, it still does not detract from the fact that they failed to mention critical findings of their own study that I highlight. That more than anything made me go Hmmm.

  5. Amy says

    Hi Joe,
    Short of having your own personal experience, if you are interested to understand what Asea really is, I suggest you pose your questions to Dr. Gary Samuelson, the atomic medical physicist who helped stabilized these highly reactive molecules. I would be happy to facilitate the interview.
    At your service,

    • Joe says

      Hi Amy, actually, I did email Dr. David Neiman before I posted my review. I emailed him because he was the person most touted in the ASEA video. He did not get back to me but I’m sure he is very busy.

      If I were to email Dr Samuelson, what questions would you like me to ask him?

      Since you are an ASEA distributor, may I ask you a question? How do you feel about the ASEA study that showed that ASEA:
      1. did not help people ride the bike any faster
      2. did not reduce inflammation
      3. did not reduce oxidative stress
      4. did not impact the immune system

      How do you feel about these important findings not mentioned on the ASEA study video?

      • says

        I ran into an ASEA salesman at a Health Food store and allowed him to spray it into my eyes. I’m legally blind in one eye due to a retinal detachment and have reduced vision in the other. I had the retina repaired but the surgery causes visual-impairment for life. Well, guess what! For the next three days I could see better than I had in 10 years! This was a tangible and undeniable result.

        I called the guy and ordered the product and started squirting it wherever I had a scratch or burn. I’m accident-prone due to the vision-impairment. Everything healed in half the normal time. I used it on my face and within a week cancer spots surfaced that had been hiding under my skin for years. I had them burned off and am now cancer-free.

        The ASEA literally forced the cancer cells to the surface. Now I drink it daily to treat an incurable disease that I’ve had all my life, and it is helping me live an active and healthy life.

        A more simple explanation of how it works is that Redox signalling is a process that forces the sodium chloride inside the water molecules, which then deliver it directly to the body’s cells instead of going through the normal body processing. Instead of having saline solution injected into your bloodstream it binds directly with your cellular structure.

        It’s quite clear that you didn’t actually try ASEA. Maybe you’re perfectly healthy and don’t need it. Many state-of-the-art medical clinics now use it in place of standard saline solution. And the world is round, not flat.
        Adrienne Potter
        Founder, Kids In Danger (K.I.D.)
        http://www.kidsindanger.net
        President, Constitution Party of Nevada (CPNV)

        • Joe says

          Adrienne, first let me say that I am happy to learn about the work your organization does to help protect children. I also believe the world is not flat and that is why I look to published peer reviewed scientific studies and go where the evidence leads me. Currently I see no good proof to support ASEA. Even ASEA distributors who commented before you dont appear to want to address the questions I asked about the product.

          That said I am very happy to hear that ASEA has helped you and I hope the ASEA company – or anybody else – takes a look at this aspect of the product and try to validate it (through publishing a study). It’s interesting that the ASEA salesman would spray it into your eyes given that there appears to be no evidence whether it would help or not. If what you say is validated through research I would welcome adding it to my review.

          You mentioned that state of the art medical facilities now use ASEA in place of saline. Can you provide me with a list of those medical facilities? I wasn’t aware of this and I’d like to check into that.

          Thanks for writing and I hope you write back. And again, continued success with your efforts to help kids.

  6. Sharon says

    Glad to have found this website while searching for info on Asea after a $200 purchase through my chiropractor. Thought it strange that the product tasted similar to another past futile attempt of mine , using a product called MMS by Jim Humble . If it cost me $200 to find your site, I will consider that a benefit. Just as it cost me in the past to find the Health Ranger website, (however, your site points out the use/ non use of research protocols and posts serious scientific explanations , not just your opinion). I will utilize your sponsor links, and am anxious to order your Nutritional Supplements book.

    • Joe says

      Sharon, while I’m happy you found me, I’m sorry it cost you so much money! Ive never heard of the MMS supplement you mentioned but did glance at its website. Its on my list to look at in the future. I hope you like my book because its what inspired this website. I dont actually have any sponsors but my book links are Amazon affiliate links so Amazon will toss me a little bit if you buy my book through the links on this site.

  7. yiayia49 says

    Hi, just started using RENU 28, cannot talk about any changes, just using a few days, but wanted to see some info about this, “Salt water” see what a non ASEA person has to say. Thanks, not info for me, hopefully they will get some peer reviews, otherwise it is just another fountain of youth money maker.

    • Joe says

      yiayia49, Im glad I was able to help and thank you for letting me know about RENU 28. I didn’t know ASEA had a skin renewal cream.

  8. Sara Oliver says

    “The proof is in the pudding”. At least, that’s what my mother used to say. And I can personally tell you that for seven years, I had bone against bone in both knees, could not walk without agony, and could not grocery shop if there was not a cart available.

    With the first x-ray, the doctor laughed and said, “Go find a surgeon”.
    Because I am extremely sensitive to ALL medications; allergic to any opiate-based meds(hydrocodone) and anesthesia; and generally abhor a hospital stay, I did not have the surgery done on either knee.

    I just kept praying there would be a solution, an alternative to surgery.

    On the 8th of July, I visited a friend’s home for her to tell me about Asea. I would have never purchased just the liquid. The taste was terrible. (I was later told that the worse the taste, the more you needed it. I now drink it and it tastes like pure water.)

    But…..she also showed me Renu, which was designed and originally sold as an aid for wrinkles. My friend explained that Renu was triple strength. Logical thinking led to an application of that gel on my knees at 7:30 that evening.

    The next morning, for the first time in seven years, I could walk freely. I called my friend, went to her home, and ran and danced up and down 30 feet of her living room. I went on to HEB, our grocery store, and all of the regulars stood there in disbelief. I shopped without a cart. I could walk.
    Not only that, I spent between 30 and 40 minutes after leaving the store in pursuit of a Saluki, a dog similar to a Pharaoh hound, that two animal control officers were trying to corral. I ran…for the first time in seven years.

    You can ask for all the research you want.
    I KNOW what Asea does. And, NO ONE can deny what has happened to me.
    I have friends that have similar experiences. And, this, unlike most prescriptions, does nothing negative to one’s body. It has been nothing but ALL positive in my life.
    I also want you to know that my knees are not perfect, but it there is continued improvement.
    I have a friend whose father began the liquid four years ago in the summer. He had a hip replacement scheduled the next February. That surgery has NEVER been done….
    I could write on and on and on about this product.

    You can all ask for “research”. I’ll keep walking…..and loving the pleasure and joy I have in a life that has been changed dramatically for the better….all thanks to a new product (with 17 years of research behind it) called Asea.

    When I applied it to my knees, I, in all honesty, expected nothing. But, I thank God every day for this miraculous product, because it

    And, the skin renewal product, Renu, which I used on my knees, is just as good on my face.

    • Joe says

      Sara, with respect, the proof is in the research, and as an ASEA distributor (I removed your distributor link) you know this because, while you don’t try to address why the often touted ASEA study failed to show it worked, you say it has “17 years of research.” You don’t mention where that 17 years of research is unfortunate. Has ASEA even been around for 17 years? If you care to list where those ASEA studies are, I will be glad to take a look at them.

      As for “the worst the taste, the more you need it” that’s not a good rule of thumb and has no basis in fact.

      Honestly, I have no explanation for what you say happened to you and neither does anyone else right now because there is no evidence to support or refute your claims. My hope is that the ASEA company – or somebody else – decide to do some arthritis research and see what happens. Until then, Ill just say I’m happy for you and hope that you continue to stay pain free.

  9. drake says

    yes i have taken asea and can not vouch for any exercise benefits or blood test. But i too have tried many things for my eyes which tend to have blurry vision. for some reason it does help clear my eyesight and also i drink 2 ounces before bed and seem to fall asleep and sleep hard and wake up ready to go instead of being tired all the time.

    I have went off it and eye problems come back and i don’t sleep as deep. my personal opinion–don’t believe the miracle cure for everything but seems to help me in the 2 things above and i do agree a little too much snake oil hype for me but have to give some credit but they won’t get me drinking 6-8 ounces a day either…

  10. says

    Thanks for the research Joe.

    I am currently researching the research different people have been doing on ASEA. I am also an experienced MMS (Chlorine Dioxide) user. The more I research research, the more indications pop up for that ASEA water is a product based on Chlorine Dioxide. Thus the same as MMS – Master Mineral Solution (former Miracle Mineral Solution).

    Chlorine Dioxide, as made, prescribed and formulated by Jim Humble, works without a doubt. I had 20 health issues fixed. That is why I do recognize the ASEA testimonials, written here and elsewhere, to be truthful.

    Chlorine Dioxide, is a powerful and yet weak oxidizer that can be used to detox and kill harmful micro organisms in a very effective way.

    Indications are not proof but still good enough to theorize about what ASEA actually is:

    My concern is that ASEA is making money on a product that Jim Humble wanted to be available to anyone in the world, especially the poor. This is why MMS today still is very cheap. Cheap especially compared to what it can do for most people who use it correctly.

    As you pointed out Joe,

    “-ASEA did not help people ride the bike any faster compared to placebo.

    -ASEA did not reduce exercise-induced inflammation compared to placebo.

    -ASEA did not reduce exercise-induced oxidative stress compared to placebo.

    -ASEA did not alter exercise-induced changes in immune function compared to placebo.”

    I would like to add here that Chlorine Dioxide probably would come out with the same test results.

    But this would of course not be the same as saying that ASEA and MMS won’t kill/neutralize harmful pathogens like virus, bacteria, parasites and heavy metals.

    I really think ASEA may be hiding itself behind “advanced, complicated research” and “molecules” that-have-no-chemical-formula in order to avoid people making their own Chlorine Dioxide solutions in their kitchens easy and cheap.

    After all ASEA smells like MMS/Chlorine Dioxide and does, as MMS is known for, help a wide range of different health issues.

    ASEA water even tests like MMS on chlorine test strips I read somewhere.

    But make no mistake about it; Chlorine Dioxide is ClO2, and which is NOT chlorine.

    If ASEA would NOT be a Chlorine Dioxide solution then it may still be just another form of oxidant therapy. In case ASEA water is slightly yellow in color, and which would be the nail in the coffin as far as I’m concerned, then I would be even more sure about ASEA being a Chlorine Dioxide solution. In case ASEA water is not slightly yellow please let me know.

    This video shows how to make CDS, and which is one of several ways of preparing a Chlorine Dioxide concentrate.

    Well these are my thought’s today. I will continue researching this. In the meantime I am happy for all of you that have your health issues resolved by using ASEA water.

    I can’t afford ASEA and continue using MMS/Chlorine Dioxide and which I manufacture myself. It simply seems to do the same job as ASEA when it comes to getting better :)

    One more thing about MMS/Chlorine Dioxide, and that probably counts for ASEA water as well; It likely rids you from disease while you’re using it but most often you will have to clean your inside in addition. Colon cleanse, liver and gall bladder cleanse, kidneys, and also a parasite cleanse (de-worming). These cleanses will cure a wide range of diseases, also quite a few “incureable”, more permanently.

    Martin

      • says

        Hi Joe, yes I know about the wikipedia “review”. I can only add that rat poison (and about anything else if taken too much) is toxic too and still prescribed daily to millions of heartpatients world wide. Check out “warfarin” http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warfarin

        MD’s do their best to dose correctly to avoid accidents.

        Too all that have benefitted from ASEA I want to say that MMS/Chlorine Dioxide is not quite the same as ASEA after all. Patents show that Hypochlorous Acid, Ozone and “free chlorine” are involved. The”free chlorine” could be chlorine dioxide (ClO2) but that’s my guess.

        Still, MMS2, which is Calcium Hypochlorite + water = hypochlorous acid, is in the ASEA bottle. All together we’re speaking about oxidative treatment and which anyone can google to get an impression of what it all is about.

        Also, anyone can google “myeloperoxidase deficiency” and learn that this enzyme is converted in the body to an oxidizing chemical that is also known as “pool shock”, or again, Hypochlorous acid. Myeloperoxidase deficiency causes Hypochlorous Acid deficency, and results in a compromized immune system and disease.

        There may still be something about ASEA that is better than MMS. For instance I suspect that ASEA does not contain the activation by-products that MMS may have and which would make ASEA a cleaner product.

        But then, not everyone can afford ASEA, or even a minimum of general healthcare in this world. And one can make a lot of “ASEA” with just a tiny bottle of 28% NaClO2 and an activator (citric acid).

        It is hard to talk people into ingesting MMS Joe. If you would suffer from any topical health issues then you would not need to swallow this “poison” to try it :) It is also great for neutralizing mosqito bites, wasp poison and worse than that. This way one would slowly get used to the existance of snake oil that actually works. It is so cheap per dose that even a poor bastard in Africa can rid himself of malaria within a day or to, and this is not just a claim that can’t be backed up.

        Best wishes, martin

          • says

            It’s OK Joe. Let’s continue research.

            This patent should document which ingredients are in the ASEA water:
            http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,674,537.PN.&OS=PN/5,674,537&RS=PN/5,674,537

            It’s someting more/else than just regular table salt, NaCl, and this something more concists of oxidizing agents.

            The body itself produces oxidizing agents in order to fight pathogens and disease. The immune system produces chemicals such as hypochlorous acid, hydrogen peroxide and superoxide.

            Wikipedia about superoxide:”Superoxide is biologically quite toxic and is deployed by the immune system to kill invading microorganisms.”

            Mother nature deploys toxic oxidizing agents to go after disease.

            ASEA: Does it work? Well in my opinion one shouln’t be surprised if it works great.

            Dosage would be important. Also important is that the bodies own oxidizing agents do not have to go through the stomach and where the oxidants might react with half digested food instead.

            Best wishes all, martin

          • Joe says

            Martin, yes that is true about how the body uses free radicals to battle infections and that is something I dont feel gets talked about enough. People have said interesting things about ASEA. Since I’m a research guy, I wish the company would do some better studies than what I saw when I looked at it. Time will tell.

        • says

          martin van baaren —

          Perhaps you had a brain fade when you were writing your comment, but there’s a major glitch: An ENZYME cannot be converted into hypochlorous acid! Enzymes are proteins — large molecules that are long, complicated chains of amino acids. Hypochlorous acid is something completely different — a very simple molecule, and consisting of nothing but one atom each of hydrogen, oxygen and chlorine — and no nitrogen at all, which is part of each and every amino acid.

          Enzymes are CATALYSTS for chemical reactions — so perhaps you meant to say that myeloperoxidase catalyzes some particular chemical reaction that produces hypochlorous acid? Because no way can myeloperoxidase TURN INTO hypochlorous acid!

  11. Liz says

    Hi Joe,

    Thank you for all this. Sounds like you’re totally independent and no one pays for all this, yes? I’ll look at your book :)

    I tried Asea on some open sores that wouldn’t heal for months and it made a huge difference. But I’m not convinced some sun and salt water (the seashore – just like the old time doctors would prescribe !) wouldn’t have done the same. My arms were formerly over-exposed to sun so I have not been to the sea. I tried spraying in my weaker eye that had a light discharge and it cleared that up and the vision improved vs pre-infection.

    I remember as a kid my dad taught us to open our eyes in the bay (saltwater) because it would keep them sharp and it twice cleared up a similar infections. vision accuracy dropped back to status quo once I stopped spraying Asea for about a week.

    I’ve tried drinking it and the jury is still out. Sometimes I think it makes me sharper mentally and sometimes not. I am hugely skeptical of the price point, multi level marketing, auto-ship enrollment and research inconsistencies.

    So what I wonder is …. How is it different from drinking Electrolytes which are essentially distilled water, salt, and absorbic acid (Vitamin C). I could make that in my blender for pennies. Just found some recipes online. I also remember a product Pedialyte my trusted pediatrician would have me get OTC when my kids had fevers or diarrhea or otherwise dehydrated. Maybe that’s why Asea helps athletes recover but does nothing for performance. Pedialyte and Gatorade certainly dont cost $120-150 for 4 32 oz bottles…. Which is suspicious.

    If the $1,000 piece of pool equipment that uses salt to make chlorine for 30,000 gallons at a time and lasts for 10 seasons is the most expensive part of their process, I am even more suspicious. Do they reveal if that’s their process ?

    After drinking for about 2 weeks I got the shingles, a secondary infection, followed by a week long drag-down cold where I slept for days on end. I don’t think the disease-fighting traits work for me.

    Which begs the question — are the inconsistencies in people’s experiences because the redox molecules aren’t really stabilized? That is, sometimes the process works and there are good results with what ails you, and sometimes it doesn’t but they bottle it up anyway. How does one know if there are millions of stabilized redox molecules suspended in a bottle or not? The distributor said never drink from a plastic cup and never from the bottle or it will deactivate the product. Doesn’t sound very stable to me.

    So I will finish my Asea trial in a month and then try cheap electrolytes and see what happens. Maybe I’ll gargle with hydrogen peroxide too so a little gets in my system. Let u know, although it’s not exactly research.

    Oh – my distributor, hearing I hadn’t slept well, said not to drink Asea after 2pm because it creates so much energy it will keep me up. Sounds like the opposite of another post above.

    • Joe says

      Liz, you are correct, I am independent and no supplement/pharm company pays me to write reviews (they would probably fire me if I did LOL). You ask some interesting questions and I wish I had the answers to them. Keep me posted on what happens.

  12. John says

    I am taking it and it is absurdly expensive . I don’t know if it works or not I am in the first week of my third month and I am still waiting for the dramatic changes .

    I am angry because my upline said if I could show you how to get a free case every month would you be interested ? I am still waiting for him to show me. Basically that is a line of bs to get me to join

  13. Malo Berry says

    I really don’t care about the research. I could barely walk up and down stairs, had back, knee and incredible foot pain. Since using Asea I have had amazing results, back and knee pain gone and foot pain comes back mildly every couple weeks. This isn’t ‘in my mind’, I had these pains for years. I also have an incredible stamina boost.

    Since I have been using it I have helped a lot of friends remove their ailments, personally (which reading the testimonials originally made me think a lot of that had to be made up). After the people I have seen healed, I tend to believe almost every testimonial I see now, especially after what it has done for me. Research may be flawed, but the stuff works.

      • Malo says

        For my gout pain, it was the next day, literally. I was walking up and down steps no problem. Note: I don’t expect that for everyone that uses it. For my knee pain (that I didn’t realize I had until my foot pain went away) it took about two months. The back pain, about 4 months.

        Note: The gout does come back occasionally in my feet (twice to be exact) however it only lasted the morning (I took extra dose) and was gone by afternoon. Before Asea, it would take 3-4 days, sometimes weeks (and I used all kinds of antioxidants to keep it away prior to Asea).

        Another note: I quit taking my prescription for gout because of nose bleeds, and after about a year, nose bleeds went away but would get the gout. I’m not saying it cures the gout (nothing does) but I have had two minor outbreaks since taking Asea.

          • Malo says

            I make about 200k a year, at my current job. Am I an associate? Yes. Do I make money at it? Currently no. I buy it for my mom, she loves the stuff also. Funny part about her is she felt better on it initially but said it didn’t help her ‘with her pains’. When she ran out, she felt ‘the pains’ coming back (she didn’t notice the ones going away). She is back on it and the pains are going away again. I tell people about it now mainly to help them with their afflictions.

            I don’t need the money from Asea. Are there some incredible claims out there? Yes. Do I believe them all? All I can say is, if you look at my story, it looks unbelievable, and I swear by it. It is doing something, definitely not a placebo for me.

  14. Jake says

    HI Joe, Thank you for saving my hard earned money. It seems Martin was right since I found the ASEA patents below.

    “The company tells us that the foundational technology for ASEA is completely protected by US patents 5,507,932; 5,674,537; 6,007,686; and 6,117,285. It’s easy enough to look them up by number in the patent database. I did, and I found nothing about ASEA or about generating redox signaling molecules.

    5,507,932 This patent is for an apparatus for electrolyzing fluids, to produce disinfecting agents such as chlorine and ozone.

    5,674,537 Electrolyzed saline solution containing concentrated amounts of ozone and chlorine species for in vitro treatment of microbial infections.

    6,007,686 An apparatus for electrolyzing fluids to disinfect blood, dental drills, and other materials.
    6,117,285 A system for carrying out sterilization of equipment.”

    • says

      To Jake — were you able to see who owns the patents ? I believe one of the founders was a scientist of some sort. Maybe they are his ? If completely unaffiliated with Asea, that’s a problem. Just as it is a big red flag to see no mention of this product or the famed redox signaling molecules.

      After all that hype about the RDS how could there be no direct connection to a patent ?!

      I am sure making electrolytes doesn’t require a patented process. Made some in my blender the other day (a little ahead of my planned experiment) and indeed for pennies. A serving of electrolytes is 8 oz (vs 5 oz Asea/day in 1 monthly case). Let’s say it is 2x more exactly. That would round up to 2 gallons distilled water plus 1 gallon OJ for a whole month. Plus 30 teaspoons table salt. Total = less than $10.

      So nothing special in the patent and a price 12-16x the ingredients shopped at retail.

      Not looking good.

  15. elementsofideology says

    I was skeptical about ASEA, but then I poured it on the stump of my missing arm and MY ARM GREW BACK BEFORE MY EYES! Stronger than ever! Thanks ASEA!

    (yes, I’m kidding… but what I just described is just as likely as some of the other things I’m reading here).

  16. ajsteele says

    There seems to be a strong connectedness between sellers and those affiliated with the product and it’s positive effectiveness. Certainly there are those unconnected with sales that claim benefits, but often times plunking down 200 dollars for a desired effect provides psychosomatic results. I’m remain unconvinced until definitive proof is provided.

  17. Jim says

    Hi Joe, Boy, I am so happy that I have found your website. I recently had an introduction to try this “miraculous” water through a network marketing peer. I am usually skeptical about these sort of products when thy come up to you and say ” This product is a modern breakthrough in science. It is so healthy and beneficial for your well being”. My “spidey” senses were correct again. If it’s too good to be true, it probably is.

    I am thankful you were able to break Asea into simple language for folks like myself. Thank you for your amazing critical review. Please keep up with your superb “Sherlock Holmes” approach! Cheers- Jim

    • Joe says

      Jim, you are very welcome, I’m glad I was able to help you. I appreciate the comparison to “Sherlock Holmes” too :)

  18. Robert H. Angell says

    Joe ….I read your report with great interest as I have been taking ASEA for the past 4 months. I do not sell the product and will not consider doing so until I am sure that it is beneficial and worth the investment.

    I am 74 years old and am quite healthy and very desirous of staying that way. The only sure improvement that I can verify is that I now can drive a tee shot 275yds as opposed to my usual 2-225yds in the past. Am I trying to make fun of the product …. no.I have no idea if ASEA is helping my golf game. The jury is still out for me and obviously for you also.

    I have just ordered your book and am very interested to read what you have to say about supplements as I have been taking a number of them for over 10 years ….L.Arginine being my favorite. Looking forward to hearing more from you ….Many Thanks Bob .

    • Joe says

      Robert, thanks for writing and I hope you enjoy my book. I did indeed cover the research on Arginine. I think you will find that section interesting :)

    • Malo Berry says

      I’ll update a couple comments I have seen. First, I know Asea works for me. Amazingly so. Some people are really missing out not trying it. As far as the cancer allegations, anything that keeps your body alkaline helps keep cancer away, anything. Not just Asea. Is it a cure? No, that would be a crazy allegation.

      Lets talk about my mother. She had cancer, and after her operation, her doctor told her to take some over the counter vitamins (I don’t recall what they are but there are clinical trials showing that it helps prevent cancer, too tired to look up what it is again).

      I (at the time) knew what the doctor was telling her to take and told her she should buy them. She complained they were not prescription and had to use her own money to buy them but I told her to get them, because they have been shown to help prevent cancer.

      My question/comment is, why do doctors not tell us to take these vitamins and preventive measures now, instead of waiting until we actually get cancer? There many things that can help. Asea is one of them, but it is not a cure.

      • Joe says

        Malo, I’m not aware if any over the counter vitamin that prevent cancer.

        Can you show me studies… Peer reviewed studies showing that being more alkaline prevents or cures cancer?

        I forget, are you a distributor of ASEA?

        • John says

          asea for all I know it is water and salt . Their secret recipe for what is done to this water is a house of cards . It may be meaningless . For a while I had convinced myself it was doing me some good .

          At 120.00 per case plus outrageous shipping charges a person has to believe it is doing something . I had to face the fact I was conned . That is never easy .

        • Malo says

          Cesium is what I think I saw. I googled it, and my mom cant remember what the doctor told her to buy. But there are many people doing the alkaline therapy. Obviously not every work, but there are many people that believe in this therapy.
          Anyone that says any one thing cures cancer is an idiot, obviously. However many people out there swear by it. If I had cancer would I use Asea to cure me? Of course not. Will I take stuff to keep my body alkaline to help prevent cancer? Of course. I take vitamins also for the same reason.

          Am I an Asea distributor? I tell my friends about it to help them out. Would I buy Asea without being able to make money with it? Without a doubt. Best thing that has happened to me in last 20 years. Do I need some peer reviewed study to show how Asea has helped me? Hell no.

          Until 1972 scientists didn’t know how asprin worked. Would that stop me from using asprin in 1965 (when I was 3 lol)? No, because people knew it worked without knowing how it did it.

  19. john H says

    Here is my experience with ASEA . I am a 66 year old man with terminal bone cancer . I heard about ASEA from a friend and contacted the distributor I was referred to . He was my age . He alleged that after taking ASEA he no longer had non Hodgkin’s lymphoma . I do not consider myself desperate . I also thought at the time that would be a morally reprehensible thing to tell someone in my situation if it were not true . Anything to make a sale ? He also gave me the old mlm bait of ” if I could show you how to get a free case every month would you be interested ” ? I fell for it and I knew better . I said yes and didn’t ask him how he intended to do this . Shame on me . Anyway he did the order on the phone and without telling me he put me on a monthly auto ship . He did the same to a friend of mine and she immediately cancelled and made him take the case ( case being 4 bottles ) .

    So I felt I was in with both feet so I proceeded forward . When I did ask how he intended to get me this free case every month he responded by telling me to listen to the 9 am rah rah calls every day and the Tuesday eve calls . I listened to two days of the morning nonsense . People call in to a conference call and there is a selected ASEA cheerleader that moderates . This cheerleader is long on hype and short on substance . The typical overuse of the words excited or exciting are enough to make you sick . I then tried the Tues evening calls . Pretty much the same . The difference is they usually have a chiropractor tell you how much this amazing product helps his patients .

    So , I stayed on this product for 90 days as was suggested by the person who signed me up . He also told me to forsake all other products and to stay totally focused on ASEA which I did do . At the end of 90 days I had my blood work done . I was hoping for a sign that this was working even a little . Blood work does not lie and mine was not good .

    When I questioned my upline about this I was told I needed to be drinking more ASEA . Fool me once shame on you . Fool me twice . To heck with that . I cancelled any future orders . I then contacted the FDA about the claims he made . They could care less and the people at ASEA know this .

    Now I started asking myself questions . Why has no major university medical center endorsed this product if this is the miracle they say it is ? Why has no major sports figure grabbed a hold of this ?

    Real simple stuff here . Yes I got burned but more than that I wasted 90 days putting my faith in a bunch of lies . 90 days does not sound like much but when you have an illness as mine it is huge.

    • Joe says

      John H, oh, I am SO sorry to learn of your terminal diagnosis. I truly appreciate you taking the time to write and share what happened to you. While I know of nothing that can help your illness, I do know YOU are helping others by sharing what happened to you. The person who told you that ASEA could help cancer knows not what he is doing. Do not feel bad about what happened. Just forget about that person and move on. He is not worth any more of your precious time. It does no good to dwell on past mistakes.

      I will say a prayer for you tonight.

  20. Veronica says

    Hi Joe,
    I want to thank you for this. This is like the third time that I read your reviews for three different products. But today I want to also thank you for who you are I see how you always answer and I see you are a man of God. I too will pray for John H tonight. And I’m gonna look for your book which I know it will help me a lot.

    The reason of why I’m on this page is not because I’ve been ask to, but because I know I’m a good sales person and I’m looking to join a multi level marketing for extra cash but I want to be sure that I offer a good true product.
    Thank you

    VD

    • says

      Hi Joe,

      I found this site while looking for info on Asea as a friend of mine is a distributor. He was trying to recruit me. I strongly doubted the claims made by him about the product. If something seems too good to be true it probably is. He explained how to get the free case and I do understand the process but it’s a tough sell and very unlikely most network marketers could achieve that level-especially at Asea’s price point.

      I also echo Veronica’s sentiments about your character above and I do appreciate it. Character truly does count.

      Would you mind sharing my email address with Veronica. I have an opportunity I believe she may be interested in learning more about.

      Thank you,
      CS

      • Joe says

        Cory thanks. That free case of ASEA is something several people have mentioned. Your legal shield website is Linkin to your comment so she can get you through that if she likes.

  21. Scott LaVallee says

    Hi Joe, I must say I enjoyed this blog and thank you for allowing everyone to comment on ASEA. I do enjoy reading threads from skeptics and appreciate the effort you have put into your website. I am an associate and proud to say so. I only became an associate because of the tremendous results that I was fortunate enough to have with ASEA. I had that awful disease associated with a tick bite, and pressed through 2 and a half years of oral antibiotics and IV treatments. I was a vibrant healthy young man, 46 at the time and was reduced to a miserable, sickly shell of myself. I decided to stop the pharmaceuticals and try holistic approaches, acupuncture, heavy doses of vitamins. I had some days that were ok but most still miserable. Anyone who’s ever had Lyme knows what miserable is. I did many things to change my health, no drinking, no sugar, no fun. I certainly did not indulge in any bad habits as I was a health conscience individual. I became a hermit and didn’t even enjoy the holidays.

    Fortunately for me, my pharmacist had become an ASEA distributor. I walked into her store Sept 2012 and was introduced to ASEA, I wanted nothing to do with it. As she was trying to explain to me what the product was another woman walked in and announced “Donna I’m here for my ASEA”, intrigued, I asked her what her condition was, she told me she suffered from Fibromyalgia for 3 years, has been taking ASEA for 3 months and never felt better. I decided to try it, brought the box home, my wife thought I was crazy, which wasn’t far from the truth, because lyme will do that to you :)

    Long story short, my life changed dramatically the day I made that purchase, I got my life back, my wife got her husband back, and my daughter got her father back. I have a great number of people having terrific results with this. I have not had a cold or flu for 2 years, I take public transportation to work, it’s nearly impossible to avoid those illnesses.

    I will not tell you I am cured from Lyme, I don’t think its curable, in my research I’ve found that it lies dormant until triggered, I have had 3 minor bouts with symptoms, mostly facial numbness. Probably because I have a love for chocolate chip cookies, my one vice, lyme feeds off sugar.

    There is no doubt in my mind that ASEA works and helps me keep the disease at bay, it has strengthened my immune system, and definitely given me a boost at the gym. I’m with a workout group at work who are all younger than me, after a strenuous workout later in the day they all complain about being sore. Not I, my recovery is better than when I was in my 20’s. I hear that from a lot of athletes. This is my story, not everyone is as fortunate to have results as quickly as I did.

    There will be a time when people realize how significant this product is, it may not be now, and its not a matter of “if” people drink this its a matter of “when”. Those are just my beliefs, I’m not trying to convince anyone, I don’t need to do that. Be well and thank you for allowing us all to have a very conscientious discussion.

  22. Liz Hanson says

    in reference to the MMS Canada story… Asea tastes like salt and smells like bleach. Decided not to open the last bottle. Willing to donate for the science, Joe.

    • Scott LaVallee says

      Exactly what’s in your body Liz, take your heads out of the sand people. Pass that bottle here, I’d be more than happy to take it off your hands.

      • says

        Hi Joe,

        I am trying to join this feed but I was told that my last message needed to be adjusted/managed… I have a very interesting story to tell and would so much like to join

        • says

          so I do not usually do groups like this and it keeps telling me that “comment is awaiting moderation….please let me know if my comments are actually getting posted….

          • Joe says

            Naomi, yes I personally read all comments myself so thats why it said awaiting moderation. this helps me cut down on spam (I get a lot) that others might get if I didn’t moderate them. I did reply to your comment earlier about your mom and the therapist. if you check the comments you’ll see its posted.

  23. Naomi says

    Hi Joe,

    Let me start by saying that I was talked into tying/given a “free” case of ASEA when I started to see a Grief therapist after my mother/ who was my best best friend died after an 8 year cancer battle. I have never been to therapy but I felt like I needed it in this specific case to help deal with the desperate grief. My mom died suddenly this past August 16th –2014 and it was a painful Hospice at home situation…Even though her cancer battle was long she was always a step ahead of the curve. I usually do much more research on things before trying them but being in such a vulnerable position I took the case home with me in Sept. 2014 and I figured what the heck—

    The therapist of course encouraged me to join [ on my first appointment] with all of the claims of ASEA and showed me a recent injury that healed that she had and that it had healed just so quickly from her use of the re-nu 28 gel…. The only links that I get from her gets me to the ASEA links that are from their company and I wanted to do some real digging and try to get some real information. I never “registered” and I will replace the case that she gave me from buying through amazon or something like that as I have no intention on continuing it without seeing some real evidence and actually understanding what is in this product.

    For the month of October after dealing with so much stress and sadness we took a trip to south America to be with my husbands family and friends. At this point I had been taking the ASEA for 2 weeks. And I took a bottle with me..The only change that I noticed is that it gave me the runs, which I am sure is because of the saline. I didn’t sleep better, feel better, or in less emotional pain. The therapist told me that all my “signaling points” were “dis-connected” due to this stress and that Re-Dox signaling was the answer to help with my grief—yeah right I said to myself…

    As the therapist continued to “prompt” me to join through her link, I told her in an e-mail my physical reaction and that I wanted to do more research before signing up for these automatic deliveries. She in turn told me that that re-action that I had was proof that it is working—–It working on my stomach but that’s all that I can see so far…

    Today was the first day that I have been able to do some real digging and I am grateful to have found this conversation. I am quite interested in your book and your research in ASEA thus far. I am tempted to try the gel just for the “fun of it” but again I refuse to join. I feel very taken advantage of that at my most vulnerable moment a therapist would do something like this on a product that has such little actual research….I will not judge her too much as she was quite helpful in our sessions and maybe this works for her but I have lost faith in her as a professional as I believe that her pushiness in getting me to join is not a good sign—

    I look forward to hearing back from you….

    My best,
    N

    • Joe says

      Naomi, first let me extend my heartfelt condolences on the loss of your mom. I do understand all too well what you are going through. I lost both of my parents to cancer 15 years ago. They died less than 3 months apart. Its been 15 years but I still think of them each day.

      As for this therapist, at the least I would communicate your thoughts to her about how you felt pressured and to buy ASEA and how you still feel – regardless of her personal feelings- that it was in poor taste to use your time with her as an opportunity to advocate for the product. As for her explanations to your reactions, as far as I know, they have no scientific basis. I’ve never heard of “dis-connected signaling points” and I think I may have taken more chemistry classes in college than she has.

      If this were me it happened to, I would also file a complaint with whatever organization she is licensed with, out of concern shes doing the same thing with other patients. Even if her motives are honorable in her mind, in my opinion as a medical professional she never done what she did.

      I will say a prayer for you and your mom tonight.
      You are not alone.

  24. says

    Hi Joe,

    So obviously my message[s] did go through…. I cannot tell you how much your words are so soothing. Dealing with the grief has been difficult enough, my dad died 12 years ago of cancer too and I was the only “child” then as well the family that was willing to make the personal sacrifices that needed to be made.
    Although to me they were not sacrifices— just what you do for your loved ones……

    Having this therapist push me towards ASEA as the answer to my grief I knew was ludicrous, but at such a vulnerable moment in my life I was ready to try anything and everything…She actually has made the grief process even worse not better as I had these underlining questions about being pushed to order a product as a “heal all”…..I was made to question myself even more with so many difficult emotions simultaneously . I knew that my grief was separate from this supposedly heal all liquid………

    I am so glad that I was able to do this digging today and find this site. I am a glass artist and I need to apply for a lot of my Public Art projects as well as other exhibitions online but I have never joined something like this and i work mostly with my hands….

    Any links that you may have that can give me more information about if there is any actual science and testing behind ASEA would be amazing…..

    My very best to you–I’d love to buy your book..but have not been able to find the name/etc….

    I so hope that you have a fantastic evening and that you are enjoying your days—

    thank you for all your hard work and dedication to this!!!

    Naomi

    • Joe says

      Hi Naomi, As far as I can tell, other than the study I referenced in my review, there is nothing else published on ASEA. If I ever come across any other investigations I’ll be sure to update my review. Here is a link to another review I found, which you may have already seen: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/asea-another-expensive-way-to-buy-water/

      Yes, I checked out your website. Very neat! I remember visiting the Corning Glass museum many years ago in Corning NY. Very neat what they can do with glass! You are very talented. :)

      My book on supplements is called Nutritional Supplements What Works and Why and you can see more about it at my personal site http://www.joe-cannon.com/my-other-books/

      It sounds like you have been through a lot lately and am coming through it all stronger. I do think grief counseling can be a very positive thing so I hope you continue with it -with another therapist of course. Sometimes the simple act of talking about things with someone helps.

      After my mom died, I was comforted by a therapist I heard on the radio who said that after losing a parent, it can take up to 5 years before we are feeling like ourselves again. I took solace in that. It was nice to know that I didn’t have to be back to “normal” after a couple of weeks. You don’t have to be either Naomi.

  25. says

    Thanks again for your kind words and your dedication to trying to find some real scientific proof that ASEA is actually anything…… I consider ASEA itself to be the placebo. In this unfortunate day and age of the “feel better now by just taking this pill, supplement,etc. …..

    I live part of the year above Boulder, Co. at 9000 feet in the Rockies…Boulder is extremely progressive, which I appreciate in many ways and love the general mindset in that area of Colorado, but there are also many extremist. I believe in balance……Over the years I see regular MD’s, dentists as well as naturopaths and I did try the acupuncture thing which in my case didn’t work. I have many friends who talk about their great healing, which is wonderful for them…….

    Usually before I am willing to start taking something look for ways to get the real information first…….I did not do that this time until “after the fact” with taking ASEA for a month but I am glad that my red flags came up and that I found this site along with the many links and patent info before signing up….

    Again, thanks for the links and your digging on ASEA—Actually finding this site and reading so many comments of others people’s experiences has been extremely helpful–

    My best to you!
    Naomi

  26. Scott LaVallee says

    Hey Joe, if you’re going to research ASEA doing google searches, you may want to add this link, http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/06/david-gorskis-financial-pharma-ties-what-he-didnt-tell-you.html, due diligence my friend. It is unfortunate that pharmaceutical companies will go to any length to save their bottom line, by damaging the reputation of the founders and a product that is helping so many people.

    Naomi, calling ASEA a placebo is tagging me as a liar, which I take great offense to. Also try telling that to a child with a disorder that is estimated 1 out 88 children will be diagnosed with, that is doing phenomenally well with ASEA. That boys mother would laugh in your face.

    It’s sad that so many people will base their decision on whether or not to try this product upon reading this blog. I do agree that some people have a bit of an aggressive behavior when trying to present this product, but there are those of us that truly have a passion and have learned how to properly support an individual who decides to try a product that will improve their health.

    People take their entire lives to get the health condition that are in today, so to expect to try something for 2 weeks and expect a dramatic result is the height of ignorance. More research for you, Dr. Jagat Narula and Dr. Narain Naidu. Both men spoke at our last convention. Men like this don’t align themselves with products that don’t work. Dr. Naidu wrote this 500 page brochure for us, some light reading for you. http://www.biorepmedia.com/books/redox-life
    Be well
    Scott

    • Joe says

      Scott, with respect, you can try to belittle my review however, I didn’t “research ASEA doing google searches.” I went to the VERY SAME RESEARCH that all you distributors talk about. ASEA was brought to my attention because of the research. How come all you distributors are running as fast as you can away from that research now? Why doesn’t any distributor want to talk about I showed their very own highly touted research study (the exercise study) didn’t live up to the hype?

      All distributors want to do is give me testimonials – from people none of us know personally – and now you show us ebooks. Scott, anybody can write a ebook about anything. Heck, here is my latest Ebook: Rhabo: The Scary Side Effect of Exercise You’ve Never Heard Of.

      Scott, you say you are “greatly offended” by the words of Naomi. Well here’s what I’m offended by:

      1. I am offended by the fact that no ASEA distributor has DENOUNCED the actions of Naomi’s therapist for trying to sell ASEA to a woman grieving terribly over the loss of her mom.

      2. I’m offended that no ASEA distributor has DENOUNCED the actions of the distributor who gave John H the impression ASEA would help his cancer.

      Based on these and other things, I have to tell you, I don’t believe a word that ASEA distributors tell me anymore.

      Even today, there is a comment waiting to be be moderated by me by someone named “Caesar” from Malaysia, who clams not to be an ASEA distributor, and talks about how ASEA helped his pain. Well, I looked him up, and it turns out Caesar IS an ASEA distributor! I goggled his email and found his linkedin profile where his lists himself as an “ASEA Distributor.”

      Caesar, if your reading this, your comment ain’t getting published here because I just don’t trust what you said.

      Does any distributor want to address my problems with the research or with the way this product is being sold to people?

      • Robyn says

        Hi Joe – I’m a professional network marketer. Have been for 20 years. I love the industry and how people can create prosperity in their lives if they want to learn some new skills and do the work.

        I did try the Renu 28 for two months before ASEA launched here and got great results on wrinkles and stretch marks (cosmetic). When the company opened here (Aug 6th) I did join as an Associate and I have started building a business.

        I have also shipped some ASEA into Australia for myself to see what it will do.

        Now that’s all said:

        I’m APPALLED by the methods employed by some in network marketing (across ALL companies) and in particular the “experts” who use their position of so called “authority” to line their pockets. This is just one reason I steer clear of “healthcare professionals” when building my business. It’s TOO easy for them to abuse their position without even trying (although the therapist mentioned above was certainly trying).

        So as a network marketing professional I am MORE than happy to denounce the behavior of this therapist and as an ASEA Associate I would happily do the same.

        Does ASEA work? I won’t share my opinion here as it is not based in science but from a research, scientific, peer reviewed stand point, obviously not however, redox science is true and I’m banking that future research will give the science community what it needs in this regard.

        When it comes to claims like the ones I’ve read on this blog though…. My opinion is that anyone trying to build their business in this manner is going about it the wrong way and causing more harm than good for everyone involved. Very, very dangerous indeed.

    • Joe says

      Ron, thanks. I don’t think I’d say 50% of peer reviewed articles are fraudulent as he does but I do know there are some bad eggs out there. Personally I’m glad hes saying this stuff. There is also http://retractionwatch.com/ which brings these people to light too. My opinion is that we shouldn’t throw the baby out with the bathwater but having better checks and balances may be needed to make the peer review process better. Does Dr Micozzi have anything to say about ASEA research?

      Will ASEA be doing any research at that 33,000 Sq ft manufacturing facility? Just askin’…

  27. Pamela G. says

    First let me just state that I have nothing to gain monetarily or otherwise by sharing my story. I have had a very bad cellulitis infection on my foot that flares up once or twice a year for the past 15 years. I have used oral and topical antibiotics, colloidal silver etc but nothing touches the pain nor stops the spreading which typically lasts for almost three weeks. I was given a small spray bottle by a friend, and decided to give it a try recently when this insidious infection decided to rear it’s ugly head once again.

    Long story short, I sprayed it on just twice a day and did not ingest even a small amount. The awful pain subsided in the first day. The spread was controlled by day three, and the infection completely resolved in just five days.

    I don’t care about any research. It matters not to me if it’s a placebo effect, or salt water, or even toilet water for that matter…Bottom line, asea worked! It cleared up in mere days a very dangerous, stubborn infection that has plagued me off and on for many years. I will continue to use this “salt water” for as long as it’s available!

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